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Road to XMP stability - DDR5 4x16 (GSkill 6000CL36) on Z690 Formula
Looking to share some input likewise as try to get some from other, more than experienced people in the field of OCing and coping with Z690/DDR XMP bug. And then I went ahead of me, and bought 2 kits of GSkill DDR5 2x6 @6000MHz CL36. Of form, like for majority of the states I reckon, information technology does non boot in either of the XMP settings. At present before I give up and switch back to using just ii sticks instead of 4 which seem to crusade more issues, looking for some input on the beneath. Im using latest bios bachelor equally of now for my motherboard (Z690 Formula with 12900K).Closest to the XMP that I got is 5400 CL36 with VDD and VDDQ left solitary at i.three, System Agent left on auto (1.25 information technology seems) and Retention Controller on i.23. That seems to be rock solid, had over 2.5 hours spent in Karhu'south RAM Test without whatsoever errors the other dark. VDD and VDDQ did non really bear on the stability here, unless it went over i.35, so I started getting errors. 1.23 for memory controller was the everyman I could go while being gratuitous of errors.
Attempted to go for 5600 CL36 tonight, merely hardly whatever progress. Closest to Stability was VDD and VDDQ at 1.31 (I doubtfulness it made any departure here), Organization Agent withal on Auto and Retentivity Controller on effectually 1.29. I could kick no trouble, but had constantly showtime ram error plant within first 30 minutes of RAM Test, which I consider a fail. Any advice how to move it forward? Shall I push the Memory Controller above 1.3 threshold and look for stability in that location? Any other setting I'm missing here?
Additionally, should I settle for 4x16 5400 CL36 quad or switch to 2x16 dual with XMP 6000 CL36? Which would be more than beneficial (I know information technology'due south rather marginally better) for gaming?
I noticed in 0811 bios for my extreme z690 I can at least mail service in xmp1 (windows bsod's when trying to load). This was first bios update where at least one of the xmp profiles would allow me mail, so I'm refreshing this forum several times a day waiting for the next bios update lol.I'yard on similar scenario, simply adata xpg lancer 4x16gb ddr5. Information technology's 5200mhz rated at CL38 @ 1.25v, but I'm not familiar plenty with all these voltages and bios settings for vdd, vdq, etc to understand what I'thou doing. I am simply leaving all that on auto right now, which gets me simply 4000mhz and hope the next bios from shamino comes soon.
I have with a flake of success, strangely with hynix profiles and not the micron ones I should be using. Notwithstanding get errors in memtest86 with the one that was working best thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by rjbarker
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If you become 4 x sixteen GB running at 5400 CL36, without any uncertainty, I would prefer this over 2 ten 16 GB 6000 CL36.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peazmack
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I think, 4 ten 16 GB DDR5 running at 5400 CL36 is really pretty good, considering that DDR5 has just been launched, and is far from "mature".
Thanks for the feedback Chainbold, I'm leaning towards that option as well, although I do assume, that if I go with 2x16, I'd be able to squeeze at least 6200 out of it with same cl36 timings, shouldn't be too much of an issue. Additionally, I might jump over to a higher course DDR5 farther downwardly the line as soon as the situation of availability and maturity will clear out a bit. And so easier to supervene upon 2x16 than 4x16, peculiarly that those GSkills won't exist summit anymore (well, they aren't at present even). Finding a heir-apparent for my other set of 2x16 volition be easier at present besides.With that said, I had a hard time going above 5400 4x16 CL36. That is without going across one.31 Mem controller. I'm a newbie, not sure if going more is really safe there. Dropped the timing to CL38 but still no luck. Boots no problem but throws errors in Karhu Ram Test nevertheless.
What I'm doing as I write this though, is that I've placed two sticks which are closest with serial number to each other into A2and B2 slots (the recommended ones for dual action) and threw XMP1 on those. Booted no problem and right now going over 14 minutes in Ram Test without errors. I'll stick effectually to reach 30 mins, if no errors popular, will endeavour to OC them to 6200-6400. So conclusion, on 811 bios I tin boot 2x16 XMP no problem and seem stable without further tweaking. While 4x16 allows for max 5400 CL36. Will see how far OC I tin can squeeze out on 2x16 and then volition practise some terminal attempts at 5600 with CL40 on 4x16.As a side notation, I have just noticed that all my iv sticks are really right next to each other with the serials - ending with -45, -46 -47 and -48 which I believe isn't that common when we talk about ownership 2 separate sets of 2x16 sticks :D Either blind luck or seller actually made me a favor.
It becomes more problematic the higher upwardly the obtainable frequency spectrum you go. Concessions to timings need to be made, including sub-timings. It can be quite exhausting to discover suitable settings where stability isn't conditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peazmack
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This is the rationale every bit to why binned kits exist in the first identify. ;)
Considering my self to try removing one pair and exam if information technology'due south XMP-1 fine with just one pair.
And then I tin can sell the other pair to someone in need, who has no DDR5 at all all the same.Hopefully I tin can upgrade to a faster pair of 2x32GB afterward.
I *nigh* had adata xpg lancer 4x16gb 5200mhz stable using one of the timing profiles of 5000mhz 4x16gb hynix selection (which is bizarre as its technically micron fries). Windows seem to run fine, though had a few errors in memtest.I was also able to get 5200mhz to boot into windows a few times without crashing using i.25vdd/1.25vddq/one.25mcc and maximus tweak setting of "ii". It failed to load windows near every other boot or bluescreened, but was start time I was able to get to desktop screen a few times. Memtest pitched tons of errors though with this setting.
This was on 0811 bios on extreme z690. Getting closer it seems.
Nevertheless sounds like you are nowhere near the stability I had with 4x16GB XMP-1 on the BIOS 0702 with ROG STRIX Z690-E GAMING WIFI.
RAM was Corsair Vengence DDR5 5200MHz
Information technology has no issues ever starting windows and usually could run games for hours/days without much issue. Some random crash every third 24-hour interval or so, only that's still not enough to rely on.Removed one pair now and and so far and then proficient on XMP-1, memtest ran for 30 min without any errors. Guess I might sell 1 pair to someone who needs and buy larger sticks subsequently when they become available.
+1 ....I gave up on trying to "combine" kits years ago....many years ago.....why introduce yet another "cistron" into a trouble....just buy complete kits that accept been "proven"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Scone@ROG
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Well, I have been using two kits with 2 10 viii GB DDR4 for many years, without any problem. Aye, information technology was known that if you want to push the RAM to the max, four modules are limiting you, and not recommended if you lot want to overclock. Merely being on various hardware forums for at least twenty years or so, I am non aware of the problems that currently many users are facing to get 2 kits with 2 x16 GB stable fifty-fifty at stock speed. And it seems in quite a few cases their system is not even booting. Also, why practice nosotros get 4 DDR5 DIMM sockets when it is nigh impossible to run the system with of all them populated? Are there 4 module DDR5 kits in the market that are binned to work together? I am not aware of them. Interestingly, MSI is offering a high end board with just 2 DIMM sockets. I gauge that is the future for DDR5, because the max chapters per module is far higher than for DDR4, there is no need anymore for 4 modules, and managing only 2 DIMM sockets is certainly better/easier for the controller than operating 4 DIMM sockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbarker
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Originally Posted past Chainbold
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4 matched modules, or rather 4 modules binned equally one kit to piece of work at a set of timings and frequency, are far less problematic if one has a skillful methodology in tweaking.The trouble some are facing on Z690 is directly due to combining kits and expecting them to work at XMP without manual intervention, or even at all at the vendor'southward SPD settings.
As the platform matures overclocking volition probable get easier, simply if the vendors aren't putting high-speed DDR5 kits in 2DPC configurations there's no reason to "expect" anything more than what's been validated to work past them. Some users accept a hard time facing some of these expectations and like to arraign everything they can for their own misadventure. Trying to validate by saying " it should piece of work because I've mixed kits before" shows there's withal some gaps in ones base knowledge
Stock performance on Alderlake with 2 slots per channel and all slots populated is 3600 and 4000 for dual and single rank modules respectively.
So but because I'm trying to understand the definition of mixing kits, this would imply ownership 2 identical kits from same vendor of same model/type. So if I buy (2x) matching 2x16gb 5200mhz kits to go 64gb, this is still considered mixing kits and is a bad idea?Just trying to make certain this is what is implied. And even if matching identical kits, it's problematic considering the bodily chips themselves were binned for only the other module included, and not against any other module even from matching kits?
I'm not being facetious and coy, I'yard just trying to confirm this is what is being mentioned to avoid (distressing I'chiliad not a skilful in ram module manufacturing specifics)
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Originally Posted past captaintrips
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Correct. Combining identical kits from the same vendor is non recommended. Hither's the definitive guide:�*https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthrea...atoes-overview
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Originally Posted by captaintrips
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Yeah, retention kits are binned in the DENSITY they are sold in. This means if you combine kits, regardless of PN, manufacturer, or what socks you had on when you bought them, yous eat into what'due south referred to as the guardband or tolerances the memory vendor puts into the kit.
This role of the aforementioned commodity explains this.
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Memory kits are programmed with the timings and frequency that the memory vendor found to be stable for a given density - a unmarried memory kit in other words. If a 16GB kit can handle a particular retentiveness timing at 10 clocks, that's what the memory vendor will program into the retentiveness kit's XMP or SPD profile. If we add another 16GB of the same kit to the arrangement, its probable that this ten clock delay needs to be increased to 12 or more clocks in club to ensure stability. It could be worse still, as the modules may crave more voltage or non exist capable of running at a given frequency at all. Either way, the system will only take the timings of a single retentivity kit to reference, leaving any adjustments to the end-user to perform. There�€™s the primary cause for end-user frustration right there, most are not equipped to deal with the state of affairs and terminate up frustrated, blaming all and sundry for their misadventure.
Good to know. Will be more conscientious nearly kits of any kind in the future. I'll be honest, I saw iv empty slots and thought "well I'll just jab (ii) matching kits in in that location and off I go into XMP country", not thinking that the modules themselves had been tested only against the one in the exact kit.I'll but get out it at auto which gets 4000mhz to go my 64gb. I did pull out my second kit to examination it at 5200mhz on just 32gb, only to be honest, I saw no fps gain in any of the games I benched.
I accept Z690 Extreme and the Gskill 2x16gbCL36 6000MHZ cant get past 4800mhz CL 40 without whatsoever errors in Memtest.Another Question, can u guys alter the RGBs with armoury Crate on One thousand skill rams?
I cant.
Put me downwardly equally another sucker.
I *demand* 64gb of ram for work. Running 32 just won't piece of work / cannot practise what I need to do.Obviously, a kit doesn't seem to notwithstanding exist.
I seem to be able to load the XMP profile, drib down to 5200hz and pass memtest86
(Memtest says the timings are xl-forty-40-77 with 4800htz, instead of the 36-36-36 they should exist on 5200hz, so I'm confused on this...).Tested separately, both kits (a_2, b_2) accept kindly to XMP1 and XMP2.
The moment you put them together the board won't even boot without dropping the frequency downward.
Is at that place whatever hope?
Should I just sell both kits and buy a matched 128GB kit of ddr4 instead? (Because realistically for what I do, fifty-fifty 64GB is barely enough).
Suggestions/timings to exam, etc, all advice definitely welcome.
Specially if you know of high performing ddr4 kits that would equal or beat the clocked downward ddr5...
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Originally Posted by MostHostLA
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What board? There are a couple of test UEFI builds that were released that might help with a partial remedy, even so, information technology'southward very unlikely the kits will ever operate at XMP when combined as it wasn't designed to.
Obviously the 1 they just recalled for catching on burn...
Because of that, I'm currently on a crap strix z690-f
Will definitely go back to a maximus as before long as possible. This board is merely all sorts of a downgrade.
(At worse I can sell the extra ram/mobo as a combo.)From what I have been reading on so far, it seems that even with a matched 64gb kit yous cannot really get even remotely shut to the xmp profile functioning values...
I put in a back up bulletin with gskill to encounter what they suggest in terms of performance equivalent ddr4 kits of larger total sizes.Too, now that I remember the issue was very similar going from ddr3 to ddr4 for early adopters - simply at the fourth dimension, I was bankrupt and in school, so I actually researched things throughly before making purchases...
While now, in all the excitement of finally getting a proper rig in order for the studio that would finally run the programs we use without even blinking, I completely forgot about the fact that nosotros are in fact in an early on adoption stage...Thanks for the quick reply though - all advice welcome.
Matched kits volition work, that'due south why they're matched. What's limited is high-frequency kits in that configuration.Quote:
Originally Posted by MostHostLA
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The reason? It's not possible on this gen to run them that high. Upwards to 5600 should be achievable with a good IMC in 4 DIMM configurations, though. If the memory vendors idea it was worth it, they would exist selling these types of configurations. Right at present on this generation, it is non worth the vendor's time due to platform limitations.
I am on the aforementioned gunkhole. Had the Hero and returned it for the Formula. Have the ii sets of 2x16GB GSkill 6000MHz CL36 and cannot get anything higher than 5000Mhz with the congenital-in profile, 5200 ran fine but gave me errors in game. I do non feel that comfy doing any of the manual tuning.I just bought the Corsair 2x32GB 5200MHz CL40 set to test and will return the others if I tin run it no problem maybe even clock it a bit college.
Such a shame because I can run the 2x16GB at XMP and its keen, but I need 64GB for work because of Revit and want to exist future proof. For gaming, 32GB is more than plenty.
Dang it, new tech, demand to pay the early adopter fee!
Afterwards bios update 1003, I was able to kick into Windows with XMP I/Two profiles of 6000Mhz CL36 4x16GB but would get an mistake while benchmarking Rise of the Tomb Raider, I have everything maxed out and a resolution of 5120x1440, 240Hz max with vsync off.I started messing effectually with the manual VDD and VDDQ but left everything else on automobile, current tweaks are:
6000MHz
40-twoscore-forty-76 (auto)
VDD: ane.325
VDDQ: 1.325I tested VDD and VDDQ from one.260 all the way to 1.325 going up 0.005 every fourth dimension for each voltage simultaneously. Bios memtest would crash nigh correct away but until I was able to get at least thirty minutes in, I would then run the criterion and that would crash after 2 scenes; until I got to one.325V. I know this is not the best stress test, but at to the lowest degree I am better off than I was a week agone not being able to kicking passed 5200MHz.
Just to stir in more than mayhem, one kit is from Newegg and the other kit is from Amazon with slightly different part numbers, but GSkill has confirmed they are the same specs (non bins, manifestly). By same specs, I mean frequency, latency, and voltage.
On another note, I was able to option up a ready of Corsair Dominator 2x32GB 5200MHz CL40 and cannot get anything to boot passed other than the default 4000MHz, I did notice that these are not on Asus' list, though the lower latency ones are. Very strange. I will be returning them, such a disappointment, especially for the price. They do look and feel very squeamish compared to the GSkill. VERY solid heatsinks.
I am planning on running more test but when I have a lot more fourth dimension. For now, I will enjoy the "win".
Good luck out there!
Issues since new Bios 1003
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Originally Posted past Edwin7700
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Followed the thread equally I also run 2x16GB Gskill 6000/36 with Z680 Formula.
I was always able to kicking with XMPI or Ii without issues. But since Bios 1003 I get Game crashes constantly, so almost all games simply crash after five-10 minutes gameplay. Mostly without error description, some with DX problems.
I now accept dieled back momory frequency to 5800 and all seem to work once again ( So I kept XMPI setting just dialed back frequency by 200MHz)
Verry foreign...
I have the Corsair Micron 2x32GB 5200MHz CL40, Dell SK Hynix 2x32GB 4800MHz kits and both are working fine in XMP one profile on Apex board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwin7700
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Not sure which motherboard you have, I have tested the memory preset profiles in BIOS for 2x32GB Micron, Hynix and the pre-set profiles as well work fine.
Corsair 5200 kit:
Attachment 92200Dell 4800 Kit:
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join the boat,
i have z690 hero board, with newest bios 1003
i7 12700kf
asus ryujin ii 360
g.skill 6000 cl36 16x2
msi rtx 3080ti suprim x
nvme wd black sn850 2tb
hdd wd black 4tb
hdd seagate baracuda 8tb
cooler master cosmos c700m
psu msi 850w giltsince purchase at dec 21 this build always problematic.
at first i take thou.skill f5-6000u3636e16gx2 tz5rk
if xmp off all running fine, simply if xmp 1 or ii on will experince game crashing under 10 min randomly
trying use hyperpi and soo much error come out. and i return that ram to seller.
they offer me to modify taht ram to f5-6000j3636f16gx2 tz5rk with i add some extra cash to them because a diffrend cost.
ia ccept it, afterward few days ram came and i effort use it
xmp off is stable no crash
xmp1 on is slightly unstable hyperpi can pass two times in 8 times testing, memorytest86 pass mem.controler in ane.298v machine
play game will random crash but accept more than time than earlier, its near earlier 1 hour, sometimes tin accomplish 1 60 minutes.
xmp2 on is very unstable, because mem.controler only give it 1.101v. play game crash in nether 3min. memtest86 error under 2minand i try to xmp1 on and i increase mem.controller to ane.37500. it will read ane.368v at the arrangement. beside that all default.
solar day 1 with this setting play game is fine. try apply hyperpi is laissez passer also.
but at day iii it was crash once more. this is frustating me soo hard. anyone tin help?
or tin this issue fix past next bios release?
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Originally Posted by AwenMilano
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Fix VDD and VDDQ to 1.375, retest
thx, for the advise. i will try it and update later about the effectQuote:
Originally Posted by Silent Scone@ROG
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I am oddly enough happy to read the posts in this thread as I as well am at present in this boat where games are crashing without whatsoever skilful caption. Lost Ark endmost flat out or Windows throwing random retention related blueish screens. Memtest ran clean with XMP on earlier. No corruption found in Windows eleven. And so I removed all XMP, left it at manual stock 4800 with AIOC running. Now information technology's stable. I might jump back in and up the speeds later this week when I've got more spare fourth dimension to tweak. It's just a bummer to see a G.Skill DDR5 16x2 kit rated for 6000/CL36 not actually exist able to operate at that stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSurfer72
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Edit: As others take mentioned, XMP1 clocked down to 5800 seems to exist stable.
Having also joined this gunkhole just today I'1000 wondering Cutsman what you lot (or anyone else) is using to exam stability?Is information technology but the inbuilt Memtest or are you lot running someone else? Or maybe just using the motorcar...
I've never really OC'd earlier - I unremarkably just tell the PC to employ XMP and to automatically boost the CPU only I did buy those DDR5 6000 Chiliad.Skill modules for a reason.
Whatever assistance appreciated.
TonyG
Source: https://rog.asus.com/forum/printthread.php?t=127169&pp=40
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